K03 hybred turbos, MS3 owners please chime in...

[civic si hb]

I think I found the Vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu1GCw0QVwg&feature=related

Mazdaspeed 6 with Built motor, full boltons, GT40R @24psi


Evo X with Intake, front mount, upper and lower intercooler piping, turboback exhaust tuned at 26 psi

No info on what each car is putting down to the wheels...

[crlsnlopes]

I'm just dumb founded by this and in owe......

Intake and downpipe with no tune to be quicker than a GT40R on a speed 6. I'll have to try to find the vid some time.

go to mazdaspeedforums.org. i think the 40R is to big for our platform right now. we redline at like 7k. and with a 40r you would start spoolin at 4.5k

[Th3Juggernaut]

That's hard to believe, those things must be real lazy 4 sure. That other vid on the page he was only pulling a 13.2 with a 30R. Those motors aren't real mod friendly are they.

[civic si hb]

That's hard to believe, those things must be real lazy 4 sure. That other vid on the page he was only pulling a 13.2 with a 30R. Those motors aren't real mod friendly are they.

Actual with just bolt ons they are one of the best motors for HP for the buck by far, getting better results that cars like the EVO. With just a cold air intake people will see about a 15whp gain. Add a turbo back it get around 40whp or so. The issue is the tuning and the DI. When I had my MS3 stock I was locked with Matty's white S2000 then after just an inatake I put easily 2 cars on him it maybe more if the race kept going. I and others thought when the MS3/MS6 came out it was going to be the next srt-4 but now after a few years it doesn't seem so now

[crlsnlopes]

yep tuning the ms3/ms6 has been a challenge.

[djthom]

there has been some interesting work w/ port injection (or rather some mystery secondary fueling system) recently and we broke the 400WHP mark.

but yeah this platform is rather discouraging. i mean most any other platform would net you huge gains with upgraded fuel pump, intake, tbe, upgraded fmic and a tune...on the ms3 all that is worth what 40whp?

damn depressing really...


but i still love my ms3!

[EuroTrash]

There's folks seeing 500whp with the 2.0TFSI. Currently the DI fuel pump and injectors are the limiting factor.

someone somewhere has gotta come out with something, all these DI motors have a huge limitation now.

[TrueRedMS3]

everyone talks about displacement and the direct injection but look at the evo generally being faster then the sti and the evo is .5 liters less. Same goes for the cobalt which is a 2.0l too, The newer cobalt is direct injection and has only had 2 model years so far and they have made over 400 whp more then once. yea a COUPLE speed3's broke 400 whp but i heard the dyno's were also adjusted a little and one of the speed3's that broke 400whp had a 125 or 150 shot of nos...... with a gt30 turbo, that's just stupid low for what it should be. Thats about the same I'd expect being intake, exhaust, small tune and nos. I see cobalts making 330 whp+ on stock turbos, we're barely making that with gt35r's

[EuroTrash]

Well some motors are better, some heads flow better than others.

[civic si hb]

everyone talks about displacement and the direct injection but look at the evo generally being faster then the sti and the evo is .5 liters less. Same goes for the cobalt which is a 2.0l too, The newer cobalt is direct injection and has only had 2 model years so far and they have made over 400 whp more then once. yea a COUPLE speed3's broke 400 whp but i heard the dyno's were also adjusted a little and one of the speed3's that broke 400whp had a 125 or 150 shot of nos...... with a gt30 turbo, that's just stupid low for what it should be. Thats about the same I'd expect being intake, exhaust, small tune and nos. I see cobalts making 330 whp+ on stock turbos, we're barely making that with gt35r's

Things that have always helped out the Evo compared to the STI is/are

1) Cams much more swaped and tuned on the Evo

2) Larger turbo on the Evo

3) Running more PSI on that larger turbo than the STI

Those 3 things and they will always make more HP than a bolt on STI with the same mods on the stock turbo all day long alone...

[RichGTS]

everyone talks about displacement and the direct injection but look at the evo generally being faster then the sti and the evo is .5 liters less. Same goes for the cobalt which is a 2.0l too, The newer cobalt is direct injection and has only had 2 model years so far and they have made over 400 whp more then once. yea a COUPLE speed3's broke 400 whp but i heard the dyno's were also adjusted a little and one of the speed3's that broke 400whp had a 125 or 150 shot of nos...... with a gt30 turbo, that's just stupid low for what it should be. Thats about the same I'd expect being intake, exhaust, small tune and nos. I see cobalts making 330 whp+ on stock turbos, we're barely making that with gt35r's

what ive learned with my quest online and looking at modifying the speed... its a mazdaspeed. its factory fast, factory built to be good as it is. sure you can get some gains with some simple bolt ons and junk, but the car was pretty much made to be what it is. its got the DISI which is a bitch to mod, an ECU that doesn't like to be touched, internals that were made for the power they came with, and a drivetrain that well, at least somewhat holds stock power (talking about mine).

its an excellent car (ms3/ms6) if you want to drive something that is quick, attractive, and a good DD. mod it a little, but in the end its not worth going all out.. you'll only see more problems down the road.

plus with the aftermarket background for the evo/sti/SS, etc, comprared to the MS aftermarket, its a #!#!#!#!show. we have what... two, three sites that sell parts? search mazdaspeed for example just on eBay, you'll get 1/10th the amount of items than that of an EVO/STi etc.. one of the downfalls of owning a limited production car (even compared to an EVO).

i mean i love my MS6, but i should have just kept it stock. cause all in all its a good fast DD and it holds the rarity factor (except on this site). they even said that when it was made it was not to be compared to the EVO/STi, but more to an audi S4, Legacy GT or a volvo S60r

/my $.02

[katzenjammer84]

what ive learned with my quest online and looking at modifying the speed... its a mazdaspeed. its factory fast, factory built to be good as it is. sure you can get some gains with some simple bolt ons and junk, but the car was pretty much made to be what it is. its got the DISI which is a bitch to mod, an ECU that doesn't like to be touched, internals that were made for the power they came with, and a drivetrain that well, at least somewhat holds stock power (talking about mine).

its an excellent car (ms3/ms6) if you want to drive something that is quick, attractive, and a good DD. mod it a little, but in the end its not worth going all out.. you'll only see more problems down the road.

plus with the aftermarket background for the evo/sti/SS, etc, comprared to the MS aftermarket, its a #!#!#!#!show. we have what... two, three sites that sell parts? search mazdaspeed for example just on eBay, you'll get 1/10th the amount of items than that of an EVO/STi etc.. one of the downfalls of owning a limited production car (even compared to an EVO).

i mean i love my MS6, but i should have just kept it stock. cause all in all its a good fast DD and it holds the rarity factor (except on this site). they even said that when it was made it was not to be compared to the EVO/STi, but more to an audi S4, Legacy GT or a volvo S60r

/my $.02

Well put.

Honestly I think the MS3/MS6 limitations are half DI and half scarcity. The fact that there is a 2nd gen MS3 will lead to more development of parts though, they're just a few years behind.

You figure, the 4G63 has been around for well over a decade now, and Subaru's turbo flat 4 has had a place in this market for almost 8 years.

I think time is the enemy and it's a waiting game, like anything else.

[TrueRedMS3]

I think I just expected too much from this car, as I'm sure a lot did.
There's a few people putting down decent numbers.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f338/354whp-362wtq-42300/

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f338/gt3076-dyno-20psi-42229/

I'd love to be making 380whp in this little car, it wouldn't be stupid fast but the powerband would also be better with a turbo like a gt3076. If everything goes good maybe I can get a similar setup the spring after this year. He says his car is running fine even on stock block, I'm wondering if the 09's have better rods? I have an 09 so I hope so

[djthom]

I think I just expected too much from this car, as I'm sure a lot did.
There's a few people putting down decent numbers.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f338/354whp-362wtq-42300/

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f338/gt3076-dyno-20psi-42229/

I'd love to be making 380whp in this little car, it wouldn't be stupid fast but the powerband would also be better with a turbo like a gt3076. If everything goes good maybe I can get a similar setup the spring after this year. He says his car is running fine even on stock block, I'm wondering if the 09's have better rods? I have an 09 so I hope so

sorry bro but you got the same rods as everyone else...